vulcan

Dec 20 2007, 03:02 PM

hi bro kplus99,

you don't just drop your contacts and tell us good your stuffs that you're marketing it here. you're definitely newbie here but have courtesy to introduce yourself first.

this forum is not for you to make quick money by getting everyone attention but rather coming in work together with your extensive experience. again we don't want marketing personnel here by telling us what we should buy and of stranger nature.

remember, you don't just take or sell what you wanted to sell but to give back in other forms(benefit in kind) to aocm society.

bro sk,

occasionally we've people like bro kplus99. my suggestion is that let's create a thread for them and moderators(or admin group) get it verify and certify. this might involves substantial works on moderators(or admin group) side so it's up to the mercy of respective moderator region(or admin group) before we place it under recommendation.

that way any marketing personnel that don't follows the rule, we just take it away.

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 03:13 PM

vulcan

Dec 20 2007, 03:02 PM

hi bro kplus99,

you don't just drop your contacts and tell us good your stuffs that you're marketing it here. you're definitely newbie here but have courtesy to introduce yourself first.

this forum is not for you to make quick money by getting everyone attention but rather coming in work together with your extensive experience. again we don't want marketing personnel here by telling us what we should buy and of stranger nature.

remember, you don't just take or sell what you wanted to sell but to give back in other forms(benefit in kind) to aocm society.

bro sk,

occasionally we've people like bro kplus99. my suggestion is that let's create a thread for them and moderators(or admin group) get it verify and certify. this might involves substantial works on moderators(or admin group) side so it's up to the mercy of respective moderator region(or admin group) before we place it under recommendation.

that way any marketing personnel that don't follows the rule, we just take it away.

Is a good idea but I'll make another forum fro the purposed of after market sale people to post out their add and get approval to sale them.

Those advertising that failed to provide support and detail about the warranty will to send to Spam/trash forum.


Regards,


ocmax

;)

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 06:27 PM

bro. kplus99

IN AOCM we only know these few criteria:-

1. Best price
2. After sale service
3. Warranty of the said product and best workmanship.

If you can meet these 3 criteria, Please introduce yourself a little more and post the more detail of your offer product in your thread. how many shops are providing the good service and warranty......??  :unsure

We ahve a lot of sale people came in here with left withotu a trace, that is why we are protecting the membes here.

Hope you understand.


Regards,


ocmax

Quote:

 

WE MONEY BACK GUARANTEE if product fails to perform as mentioned.

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 08:18 PM

Quote:

 

WE MONEY BACK GUARANTEE if product fails to perform as mentioned.

What are the condition to claim the said guarantee once the film are installed........?? :unsure

kplus99

Dec 20 2007, 08:57 PM

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 08:18 PM

Quote:

 

WE MONEY BACK GUARANTEE if product fails to perform as mentioned.

What are the condition to claim the said guarantee once the film are installed........?? :unsure

Do you know that in this industry, there are the correct tools to demonstrate what you tint is what you see. What I mean is that, let say, you tint your car for RM 400, dont expect it to perform a wonderful job under the hot sun, worse still after baking it for hours.
We have the right tools to evaluate what you are getting ven after you have them on your car. You wanna see it for yourself, using your hand held mobile phone that is equipped with a camera? No gimmicks here. It is a brand new world now, afterall everyone is saying globalisation and a boderless world.
Even, after you have tint it, should it does not perform as it had said( quite a subjective One ), I still stand by my word, IT SHOULD. Thats why, I am prepared to bet you to my last dollar, moner back guarantee.
DupontTeijin are not any kucing kurap manufacturing company, they are ISO and are 200 and a 100 year/years corporations.
These product will be global name in a matter of time. It just been launched here only since late October. Perhaps, I have not created a big bang yet. I am trying to figure it out, in which way, consumer get the best out of it.

Cheers.

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 09:22 PM

kplus99

Dec 20 2007, 08:57 PM

ocmax

Dec 20 2007, 08:18 PM

Quote:

 

WE MONEY BACK GUARANTEE if product fails to perform as mentioned.

What are the condition to claim the said guarantee once the film are installed........?? :unsure

Do you know that in this industry, there are the correct tools to demonstrate what you tint is what you see. What I mean is that, let say, you tint your car for RM 400, dont expect it to perform a wonderful job under the hot sun, worse still after baking it for hours.
We have the right tools to evaluate what you are getting ven after you have them on your car. You wanna see it for yourself, using your hand held mobile phone that is equipped with a camera? No gimmicks here. It is a brand new world now, afterall everyone is saying globalisation and a boderless world.
Even, after you have tint it, should it does not perform as it had said( quite a subjective One ), I still stand by my word, IT SHOULD. Thats why, I am prepared to bet you to my last dollar, moner back guarantee.
DupontTeijin are not any kucing kurap manufacturing company, they are ISO and are 200 and a 100 year/years corporations.
These product will be global name in a matter of time. It just been launched here only since late October. Perhaps, I have not created a big bang yet. I am trying to figure it out, in which way, consumer get the best out of it.

Cheers.

Wouldn't it be better if your company provide the installation in package...??

Because it will be very subjective if the material are not provided by the installed, The ball will start to roll.

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 09:57 AM

Then I think you can provide a breakdown of the pricing inclusive the material and workmanship. We doesn't want to have dispute during the installation and started to point who's fault end of the day. That is our main concerned.

And the warranty are also include of bad workmanship to replace the film if there is any defects...........???


Regards,


ocmax

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 10:17 AM

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 09:57 AM

Then I think you can provide a breakdown of the pricing inclusive the material and workmanship. We doesn't want to have dispute during the installation and started to point who's fault end of the day. That is our main concerned.

And the warranty are also include of bad workmanship to replace the film if there is any defects...........???


Regards,


ocmax

Bro, I think you will agree with me there isnt 100% faultess workmanship, right?
Even fine craftmanship do fails at certain times. We are JUST human afterall and not machines. We are given an aptitude mind to discern how good a person is capable to carry out certain task. Installers, if provided by us to tint your car, shouldnt have the morbid fear in doing a poor job. I believe their responsibilities are as heavy as your. It is their reputation at stakes.

Should workmanship fails during installation ( depending on degrees of damage ) is quite a subjective one. You too would concur with me , incl myself at times, after paying or even before paying, expectancy level will start to question our wisdom. We are just doing our job. We should learn to givee due respect to those in their respectives fields. We shouldnt question their capabilities as I mentioned they are trained to give your money worth.

For example, we purchased raw rice, overcooked it, who is to blame? Blame the paddy planters or ourself for not putting enough effort to learn the proper way to do it.

For a standard saloon to big sedan and mini MPV - RM 800 - RM 950.00
For a larger MPV - RM 1100

Workmanship - degree or level of difficulties - RM 150 - RM 300

If unsure, please enquire more, I certainly glad to assits further.

Cheers

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 01:47 PM

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 10:17 AM

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 09:57 AM

Then I think you can provide a breakdown of the pricing inclusive the material and workmanship. We doesn't want to have dispute during the installation and started to point who's fault end of the day. That is our main concerned.

And the warranty are also include of bad workmanship to replace the film if there is any defects...........???


Regards,


ocmax

Bro, I think you will agree with me there isnt 100% faultess workmanship, right?
Even fine craftmanship do fails at certain times. We are JUST human afterall and not machines. We are given an aptitude mind to discern how good a person is capable to carry out certain task. Installers, if provided by us to tint your car, shouldnt have the morbid fear in doing a poor job. I believe their responsibilities are as heavy as your. It is their reputation at stakes.

Should workmanship fails during installation ( depending on degrees of damage ) is quite a subjective one. You too would concur with me , incl myself at times, after paying or even before paying, expectancy level will start to question our wisdom. We are just doing our job. We should learn to givee due respect to those in their respectives fields. We shouldnt question their capabilities as I mentioned they are trained to give your money worth.

For example, we purchased raw rice, overcooked it, who is to blame? Blame the paddy planters or ourself for not putting enough effort to learn the proper way to do it.

For a standard saloon to big sedan and mini MPV - RM 800 - RM 950.00
For a larger MPV - RM 1100

Workmanship - degree or level of difficulties - RM 150 - RM 300

If unsure, please enquire more, I certainly glad to assits further.

Cheers

Sorry that we have so many question throw in to you. As mention we just want to make sure everything are covered, understand and as you have mention transparency which we does not want to have hidden agenda end of the day.

Anyway you still have not answer my question about the warranty in the package. This is very important because as we have came across many complaints about bad workmanship and ended up the tint film needed to replace but under the warranty. Is difficult to claim if the material are not supply by the installer because we will not purchase extra film for the installation and if the installer only charging the labour fee so how much are they going to charge in this cases.....?? Ended they might claim is due to the flim quality that causes the defects. Which we does not want this to happen.

Hope you understand our concern.


Regards,


ocmax

vulcan

Dec 21 2007, 10:57 AM

hi bro kplus99,

i agreed with bro ocmax that for the case of tint installation it has to be total package(tint film and competent installer) and you seem to be no issue with it which is good to us. again we don't want to be penny wise pound foolish.

i hope you could address some of my questions below:
1. since you're from southern, could we send our people to check out your shop on how equipped you're in tint film installation industry(since you're really serious in this)? i'm looking for proper ventilated air-con room when doing tinting.

2. since there's huge market for tint here could we've better deal in terms of warranty? i'm looking at beside manufacturer warranty will there be any extension from your side?

3. a proper tinting job might takes a few hours. will our aocm members be waiting down there or could you side provide some arrangement of transports if they need?

4. you're saying that you've been operating for some years now. could you substantiate
with any document that you've done so. don't get me wrong i'm not trying to make it hard for anyone to market here but to safeguard our members.

so long for now.

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 08:16 PM

Dear Vulcan, please kindly let me know, how you would like to assess my knowledge in this line. I do try but I try my best.
I would be glad if and when you are ready to come down th JB.
Hope to meet up.

Cheers

ongkh

Dec 21 2007, 11:05 PM

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 08:16 PM

Dear Vulcan, please kindly let me know, how you would like to assess my knowledge in this line. I do try but I try my best.
I would be glad if and when you are ready to come down th JB.
Hope to meet up.

Cheers

bro kplus99, until now only i knew that u're situated in jb.
i'm living in tmn ungku tun aminah. hope can see u someday for idea sharing. ;)

vulcan

Dec 22 2007, 12:52 AM

ongkh

Dec 21 2007, 11:05 PM

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 08:16 PM

Dear Vulcan, please kindly let me know, how you would like to assess my knowledge in this line. I do try but I try my best.
I would be glad if and when you are ready to come down th JB.
Hope to meet up.

Cheers

bro kplus99, until now only i knew that u're situated in jb.
i'm living in tmn ungku tun aminah. hope can see u someday for idea sharing. ;)

hi bro kplus99,

bro ongkh or bro lookw will help out in accessing your capability in tint since both of them are from southern on my behalf. tq for the invitation. they're more appropriate as i'm situated at penang.

let us know when they can meet you and we'll channel our questions to them for fact findings.

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 08:11 PM

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 01:47 PM

kplus99

Dec 21 2007, 10:17 AM

ocmax

Dec 21 2007, 09:57 AM

Then I think you can provide a breakdown of the pricing inclusive the material and workmanship. We doesn't want to have dispute during the installation and started to point who's fault end of the day. That is our main concerned.

And the warranty are also include of bad workmanship to replace the film if there is any defects...........???


Regards,


ocmax

Bro, I think you will agree with me there isnt 100% faultess workmanship, right?
Even fine craftmanship do fails at certain times. We are JUST human afterall and not machines. We are given an aptitude mind to discern how good a person is capable to carry out certain task. Installers, if provided by us to tint your car, shouldnt have the morbid fear in doing a poor job. I believe their responsibilities are as heavy as your. It is their reputation at stakes.

Should workmanship fails during installation ( depending on degrees of damage ) is quite a subjective one. You too would concur with me , incl myself at times, after paying or even before paying, expectancy level will start to question our wisdom. We are just doing our job. We should learn to givee due respect to those in their respectives fields. We shouldnt question their capabilities as I mentioned they are trained to give your money worth.

For example, we purchased raw rice, overcooked it, who is to blame? Blame the paddy planters or ourself for not putting enough effort to learn the proper way to do it.

For a standard saloon to big sedan and mini MPV - RM 800 - RM 950.00
For a larger MPV - RM 1100

Workmanship - degree or level of difficulties - RM 150 - RM 300

If unsure, please enquire more, I certainly glad to assits further.

Cheers

Sorry that we have so many question throw in to you. As mention we just want to make sure everything are covered, understand and as you have mention transparency which we does not want to have hidden agenda end of the day.

Anyway you still have not answer my question about the warranty in the package. This is very important because as we have came across many complaints about bad workmanship and ended up the tint film needed to replace but under the warranty. Is difficult to claim if the material are not supply by the installer because we will not purchase extra film for the installation and if the installer only charging the labour fee so how much are they going to charge in this cases.....?? Ended they might claim is due to the flim quality that causes the defects. Which we does not want this to happen.

Hope you understand our concern.


Regards,


ocmax

Dear ocmax, I understand your concern in this grey area. Alright, to put the record straight once and for all. We will undertake all warranty on product improperly installed by our APPOINTED technicians and thus far only.
As I have mentioned earlier, no human is flawless, certain degree or element, the benefit of the doubt has its role to play here.

Out of this, we are not liable for others. Hope you appreciate what we can do for the members of the public. In this profession, it is glaring, very, to determine a competent installer. Therefore, most installer which I know of throughout Malaysia, have at least 5 years, some up to 10 years experience. They certainly have done much more upper market car than National makes. Hope that would put your concern at ease now.

Cheers.

vulcan

Dec 22 2007, 12:52 AM

hi bro kplus99,
bro ongkh or bro lookw will help out in accessing your capability in tint since both of them are from southern on my behalf. tq for the invitation. they're more appropriate as i'm situated at penang.
let us know when they can meet you and we'll channel our questions to them for fact findings.

ongkh

Dec 22 2007, 08:28 AM

vulcan

Dec 22 2007, 12:52 AM

hi bro kplus99,
bro ongkh or bro lookw will help out in accessing your capability in tint since both of them are from southern on my behalf. tq for the invitation. they're more appropriate as i'm situated at penang.
let us know when they can meet you and we'll channel our questions to them for fact findings.

bro kplus99, we fully understand that more or less u'll felt too fussy to liase w/ aocm members bcos we're seeking lots of fact finding in order to benefit both party in the long run. alternatively, u're welcome to southern thread to intro yrself, explain little bit of yr background & share yr rich knowledge in tint industry.

http://avanzamalaysia.com/index.php?showtopic=83&st=5525

we'll nvr know someday all avz owners will be looking for yr service in this field. :thumbup :thumbup

vulcan

Dec 22 2007, 09:43 AM

hi bro kplus99,

i do understand you want feedback to further expand your business. however let our moderators see you first in understanding more from your side before any comment given as of now everything you mentioned is still conceptual to me. reason is i would like to see "say what you do, do what you say".

I'll passed to them VC(Vendor Checklist) to go through with you.